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		Posted by: thomar

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		Posted by: graph

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Quote: Extensive dialogue with some of the world’s top DJs and sound engineers provided the catalyst to create new, intuitive techniques to effect the perfect mix, resulting in ‘sound colour effects’ - a whole new style of DJ mixing. In music terms, if the DJ adjusts a track in the key of C by +3%, it slips out of the C band to between C and D. This makes it impossible to perform a perfect harmonic mix, unless harmonic tuning is applied. Harmonic tuning takes whatever key the source audio is in and adjusts the pitch until the key reaches a standard note. World class DJs currently spend thousands of hours learning the keys of their music and re-mastering their library to be in ‘perfect pitch’ - this innovation makes it that little bit easier to deliver smooth mixes time and again wow...i can see how this mixer can easily spoil a DJ. that's my biggest gripe about mixing...tracks being in different keys. then again key changes are also an important aspect of musical performance, so this technology could have its disadvantages. it would be nice to own one if these became standard at most venues. but it would be a disaster not knowing what key records are actually in until you play out on a mixer that doesn't have this technology.

		Posted by: Jamie Tyler

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James [graph] wrote: SUCKS I was waiting for that.

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I'd like more info on the MIDI implementation. There are approximately zero controls on the face that are labeled MIDI.. so does that mean each pot and fader transmits it's own CC??

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i was talking w/ someone that assisted with it's design and they said the more you use it, the more functions become apparent. could be really cool- IF they worked out some of that harsh/Pioneer mixer sound. _________________ www.residentadvisor.net

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thomar wrote: i was talking w/ someone that assisted with it's design and they said the more you use it, the more functions become apparent. could be really cool- IF they worked out some of that harsh/Pioneer mixer sound. I've become fond of the harsh Pioneer sound over the last year. As for the harmonic tuning function, you could just listen to the mix in your headphones today. Is it out of key? Pick a different record. Lazy fucking DJs. Oh yeah, flangers suck. Those got burned out at the WMC in 2000. Get over it. Keep your fingers away from the effects knob. The music is good enough on its own. Now the Wah -- that's a useful effect.

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Deviant wrote: Is it out of key? Pick a different record. Lazy fucking DJs. that's too difficult. it's better to use 30 knobs to adjust it. duh _________________

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The focus of DJ equipment these days is to completely eliminate any of the skill, talent, or practice required to become a good DJ. "To free me up to focus on the artistry of my set" my ass. Earn your fat DJ fee, you lazy bastard. You already have the easiest job in the world. Weren't CDJ-1000s enough? Take take take. When are you going to give back to the hood? What the fuck am I talking about?

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Deviant wrote: thomar wrote: i was talking w/ someone that assisted with it's design and they said the more you use it, the more functions become apparent. could be really cool- IF they worked out some of that harsh/Pioneer mixer sound. I've become fond of the harsh Pioneer sound over the last year. As for the harmonic tuning function, you could just listen to the mix in your headphones today. Is it out of key? Pick a different record. Lazy fucking DJs. I love listening to mixes that are all mixed flatly in D minor. _________________ http://humanaut.net | http://www.innerchild.biz

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Adam Oliveri wrote: The newer DJs are probably wondering where the "zabiela" effect is. ahhhhahahaha everyone's mixer needs a zabiela button.

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Deviant wrote: Weren't CDJ-1000s enough? 1000s make spinning hammered at least 10x easier. _________________

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Deviant wrote: As for the harmonic tuning function, you could just listen to the mix in your headphones today. Is it out of key? Pick a different record. Lazy fucking DJs. Oh yeah, flangers suck. Those got burned out at the WMC in 2000. Get over it. Keep your fingers away from the effects knob. The music is good enough on its own. Now the Wah -- that's a useful effect. +1,245

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I am the Zabiela button. _________________ www.residentadvisor.net

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Personally, I think there's a new breed of DJ out there that has solved the mixing in key dilemma altogether: they just play raunchy, mechanical bleeps bloops and squelches that don't need key mixing. Each sound isn't longer than a quarter note, and the the sounds are so distorted by the producer it just doesn't matter what key it is anyway; because, don't you know, dissonant, angry music is all the fashion for dissonant, angry DJs? Mixing in key problem SOLVED! (Just don't forget to toss the bass in and out 4 counts every 32 bars, then play with the EQs a bit to hide any potential frequency overlap for the tracks that do have tonality)

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headrushmusic wrote: Personally, I think there's a new breed of DJ out there that has solved the mixing in key dilemma altogether: they just play raunchy, mechanical bleeps bloops and squelches that don't need key mixing. Each sound isn't longer than a quarter note, and the the sounds are so distorted by the producer it just doesn't matter what key it is anyway; because, don't you know, dissonant, angry music is all the fashion for dissonant, angry DJs? Mixing in key problem SOLVED! (Just don't forget to toss the bass in and out 4 counts every 32 bars, then play with the EQs a bit to hide any potential frequency overlap for the tracks that do have tonality) Now look, you made R2D2 cry. _________________ .

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headrushmusic wrote: Personally, I think there's a new breed of DJ out there that has solved the mixing in key dilemma altogether: they just play raunchy, mechanical bleeps bloops and squelches that don't need key mixing. Each sound isn't longer than a quarter note, and the the sounds are so distorted by the producer it just doesn't matter what key it is anyway; because, don't you know, dissonant, angry music is all the fashion for dissonant, angry DJs? Mixing in key problem SOLVED! (Just don't forget to toss the bass in and out 4 counts every 32 bars, then play with the EQs a bit to hide any potential frequency overlap for the tracks that do have tonality) He would disagree with you. He would agree.

		Posted by: Jamie Tyler

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Tiesto wrote: He would agree.

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